Monday, May 15, 2023

Refugees

Interesting NY Times article about Sudanese doctor Hiba Omer, who has remained at her post in a Khartoum hospital as something close to a civil war has broken out around her:

I will never leave Khartoum. I will stay here, until death. I have a responsibility, and I will be staying until we do our job. It is a professional commitment.

Which brings me straight to a question I have been wondering about lately: what does the flight of refugees do to the places they leave behind? According to the UN, there are around 33 million refugees who have crossed international borders to escape from violence or oppression. Without wanting to judge any of them, I sometimes wonder how any country is supposed to recover from a civil war if millions of its most energetic and productive citizens have left. For an extreme case like South Sudan, where more than 20 percent have fled, I imagine this is crippling. On the other hand, what would they really accomplish by staying in South Sudan?

The reason there is anything to say about this problem is that the international refugee apparatus probably encourages people to become refugees. When the UN set up a chain of refugee camps in Kenya to house people fleeing civil war and famine in Somalia, some poor Kenyans went to the camps, which I would say is good evidence that the camps can exert an attractive pull. Each person in a troubled country makes a calculation based on how bad things are, how bad the trip to somewhere else is likely to be, and what will be waiting at the end of the trip. If refugee camps with adequate food are set up just over the border, it seems to me inevitable that this will induce more people to flee.

On the other hand, if those people stayed, no doubt some of them would be tortured or killed, or starve to death.

Sometimes the ability of people to flee across the border and be sheltered in UN camps becomes a problem of its own. The best example I know is the way the perpetrators of the Rwandan genocide fled to the Congo, where they were put up in refugee camps, which were then taken over by the genocidal militias, which used the camps as bases for launching attacks on the new Rwandan government, which responded by attacking the camps, which was the trigger for a decade of civil war in the Congo.

There is also the question of what happens to the people in the camps and where they go. Some never go anywhere, and their children become some of the millions of stateless people in the world, with no home to go to even if they wanted to go there. But sometimes when the camps are closed, as when Kenya forced the closure of its camps for Somalis, the people somehow go somewhere without their being a humanitarian crisis. Which says to me that sometimes people stay in the camps when they could go back, or go somewhere else.

Of course there can be major refugee flows without the UNHCR being involved, for example, the 5.5 million people who have fled Venezuela since its economy went into free fall. That, I would say, is a clear case in which the departures have badly hurt the country they left, since most of the leavers were economically productive opponents of the government. Could a wicked, incompetent government stay in power indefintely by encouraging all of its able enemies to leave?

If the people who most want work and freedom leave, is the nation weakened?

I suppose that is an old question. In the late 1800s millions of Poles left the Russian, German, and Austrian empires, millions of Irish left British-ruled Ireland, and millions of south Italians left Italy. I believe that at the time there were big debates over whether the migrants were the most energetic people or the ones who had failed. But given how well they did in the US, Canada and Argentina, I can't believe there was anything much wrong with them.

I think the steady stream of people leaving Ireland across the whole period from 1923 to 1980 certainly changed Ireland. The people who left were on the whole more liberal and modernizing than those who stayed, allowing the conservative Catholic faction to take control of the nation and retain it for decades. For decades, Irish dissidents congregated in London, along with all the Irish who wanted to get divorced or have an abortion. If more had stayed, how might things have been different?

Whenever Americans announce that they are going to leave the country if their side loses the next election, I think, "quitters." If you think it is important who wins elections, maybe you should stay and work toward that end.

I am left wondering to what degree I should think that way about other people who flee their countries, and to what degree I should simply want to help all who need it, and extend a welcome to all who need a home.

9 comments:

David said...

It seems to me there's an argument for leaving a country that is deeply divided. Consider that, with all those modernizers leaving Ireland, the conservatives got the country they wanted for several decades, while the modernizers moved to places where they got more or less what they wanted. The net amount of human conflict was probably reduced. If the modernizers had stayed, the difference would likely have been a bitterly divided society. Change might well have become more difficult, rather than less; human conflict feeds on itself.

I read that column last night, and found it to be a grossly self-indulgent exercise in a sort of armchair heroism. No question, Zelensky and that doctor in Khartoum are heroes. I think one should exercise caution in criticizing others for not being heroes.

David said...

To put my objection another way, in the American case, it would be one thing to refuse asylum because one doesn't like foreigners, or subscribes to white nationalist conspiracy theories ("replacement theory"), or whatever. I'm comfortable opposing those things and judging them wicked, and, hypocritically (and quite possibly wickedly), also comfortable with Biden's unspoken compromise with such forces in the name of social peace in the US and keeping himself in office. But refusing people asylum because we've judged it would be better for their souls and a possible road to change in their home country to force them go back and suffer and try to change things . . . that's somehow, in its way, more horrible than do to it out of simple hate. It's the very worst of Victorianism--if they're starving, let them; the survivors will have learned to take care of themselves and not to rely so much on potatoes.

John said...

Well, let's think about Ukraine for a minute. According to a Times story I cited recently, many of those who left at the start of the war have gone back. By doing so, don't they strengthen the Ukrainian nation? Doesn't every person laboring and paying taxes in Ukraine make a contribution to insuring the survival of the nation?

Is there any sort of universal value to strengthening democratic countries like Ukraine against their enemies?

Should Ukrainians feel some sort of desire to return and help their country, or should they do what feels best for them and their families?

Those aren't rhetorical questions, I am genuinely conflicted about the answers.

David said...

Those are legitimate questions, but they are questions for Ukrainians to answer, not us. It's not for non-Ukrainians to force them to go back because that would be the right thing for Ukrainians to do, which is the sort of thing you seemed to be proposing in your original post.

A country would be within its rights to refuse Ukrainians entry because it doesn't want Ukrainians, or because it wants to butter up Moscow, or whatever. The rest of us, of course, would also be within our rights to judge that country negatively. It would also be within the rights of the Ukrainian government to try means to put pressure on refugees to return. Because host countries retain the right to decide whether a claim for asylum is legitimate or not, it *might* even conceivably be within the rights of a host country to decide that conditions are now safe enough in Ukraine behind the lines that it will save asylum for others from more dangerous places. It is NOT within the rights of non-Ukrainians to say, we're going to force Ukrainian refugees for their own moral good and for the sake of democracy to return to Ukraine.

John said...

So to you helping Ukraine by putting pressure on refugees to go home would be a crime in a way that say, a Ukrainian draft of soldiers would not be?

David said...

I'm not sure putting pressure on Ukrainian refugees to go back home would be a crime, but it would certainly be presumptuous and ugly to do it on our own initiative under some sort of weird morality-teaching scheme.

No, I don't think for a country to practice conscription on its own is a crime.

What's all this about? The line of questioning seems somewhat bizarre to me. Why bother with some giant refugee-hunt at all?

It seems to me, if a non-Ukrainian feels SO strongly about "strengthening democratic countries like Ukraine against their enemies," they can speedily and efficiently do that by joining one of the international units that are fighting with the Ukrainian armed forces.

John said...

It's not really about anything except my feeling that I don't understand the full impact of refugee flows on the places they leave behind. Which leads me to wonder what the best policies for the rest of the world really are.

David said...

How cold and cruel and arrogant it would be if, because our analysis had determined that, in our judgment, it was "best" if refugees didn't leave their home countries, we forced people back into the maw of the Shebab in Somalia, or Honduran gangs, or Maduro, or the Taliban. It's not for humans to decide this sort of thing and act on it in this way. God, or the gods, might do so. So might a super AGI. We are neither.

David said...

Scott Alexander's essay today, "Galton, Ehrlich, Buck," seems relevant to this discussion.