Sunday, June 18, 2023

Men

Ross Douthat notes the recent deaths of Ted Kaczynski, Silvio Berlusconi, and Cormac McCarthy with a meditation on men in the contemporary world (NY Times):

There is a lot of talk lately about a crisis of manhood, manifest in statistics showing young men falling behind young women in various indicators of education and ambition, answered from the left by therapeutic attempts to detoxify masculinity and from the right by promises of masculine revival. The root of the problem seems clear enough, even if the solutions are contested: The things that men are most adapted for (or socialized for, if you prefer that narrative) are valued less, sometimes much less, in the peacetime of a postindustrial civilization than in most of the human past.

In a phrase, when we talk about traditional modes of manhood, we’re often talking about mastery through physical strength and the capacity for violence. That kind of mastery will always have some value, but it had more value in 1370 than 1870, and more in 1870 than it does today. And the excess, the superfluity, must therefore be repressed, tamed or somehow educated away.

I raise this because this is now a commonplace view in our society, and it is always worth asking, every once in a while, whether our commonplaces are true.

I would start with some a basic corrections. First, violence and hard labor are not the traditional role for all men, but specifically for young men; consider the image brought to your mind by the words "tribal elder."

Second, the traditional dichotomy between men's and women's work is only partly about strength; much of it is about whether the work is done within the home or outside it. Women's work was traditionally constrained to what they could do while caring for babies or small children, which meant staying close to home. Work that involved being away from home, especially for long periods – hunting, fishing, lumbering, trading – was done by men. There are plenty of societies in which all farming is done by women, even when it involves hard labor like digging up cassava roots. Hunting with a bow or blowgun, by contrast, is often more about stealth than strength.

Another idea you see a lot these days is that women have an advantage in the modern workplace because they are more agreeable and therefore have better interpersonal skills. But to that I say that being agreeable is just one mode of interaction, and being aggressive also has advantages in a lot of work situations: negotiation, high pressure sales, boot camp-style training, climbing the corporate ladder.

I could go on for a while, but let me make just one more point: ever since we started making machines, all the way back to the first wheeled carts, the mechanical has mainly been the province of men.

All of that is to say that I am not convinced that teenage boys are lagging in school because of a genetic program that says they should be out hunting buffalo. I think we need to look at much narrower and more specific disconnects. I don't want to sound dogmatic about anything I am going to say on this topic, because I regard it all as complex and confusing. But I have toyed with a few ideas.

I think the problem boys have with school is specifically about school as we now organize it. First, school is all about sitting still, and sitting still is certainly torture for many boys. (And not a few girls.) It also tends to be abstract, and many boys have a particularly preference for the concrete. And no, it is not true that the modern workplace demands a lot of abstract thinking skills; the biggest problem I and my more intellectual work friends have had with corporate life is that it demands an obsession with concrete details and waves off anything that might pass for real thought. My own work involves a lot of writing, but I work all the time with highly paid engineers and managers who can barely write a sentence, let alone a report. There are in fact many successful CEOs and corporate founders who are so dyslexic they have trouble reading. So I wonder if maybe a different way of organizing school might help more boys succeed at it.

But the thing that keeps looming up in my mind is the question of rewards. What if boys do worse in school, and young men worse in the workplace, because they don't see the point? Because the rewards we offer "successful" people don't appeal to them? Because a life of bourgeois discipline leading to a nice hourse or apartment with nice furniture and a wife with her own career doesn't seem like much of a goal? Part of my interest in such notions comes out of my own experience as a parent. I raised two teenage sons who were so turned off by what they knew about adult life in America that the only fantasy they could enjoy was building a cabin in the woods and escaping from the whole mess. They could not think of any work they might enjoy, any sort of education they might want to pursue. To them, a disciplined life of regular work and a regular house and a regular car and a regular family seemed like a death sentence. If that is how you feel about the rewards our society offers, why would you throw yourself into school? 

In my sons' telling, high school was all about adults trying to terrify teenagers into studying by telling them that only good students who go to good colleges ever get to have good adult lives. Their response to this was to say, I don't want that kind of life, so to hell with all of it.

So I wonder if maybe "boys are failing in school" is a small piece of a much bigger problem, that we live in a world that many people find depressing in its very nature

9 comments:

Thomas said...

But wasn't schooling like this for most of the 20th century?

It seems to me, the fundamental difference between then and now is the opportunities for girls. Teachers are less likely to center their teaching on the boys, with girls an after-thought.

Not sure of the significance of this, but for another data-point, boys have lagged behind girls in the African American community for a long time. I forget when it started, but I feel like I remember it started in the 70s or 80s.

Thomas said...

In particular, we've seen a culture in white America of contempt for education and teaching. That has existed in the right for a while, but it has now taken over the right. Maybe white girls are less affected by that, for cultural reasons - girls are raised to make the most of a bad situation, while boys are more oppositional?

Hypothesis: When the system seems rigged or pointless (whether true or not,) girls do better than the boys.

Thomas said...

The other possible reason for the difference, amongst the right, is that the kids are raised patriarchal at home, but not in school. So girls in school might even prefer school, while boys will suffer a loss of privilege in school.

I'd be curious about the political breakdown of where and how boys are falling behind. Is there a difference between blue states and red states?

Thomas said...

Okay, there appears to be no red-blue state distinction where boys are lagging more, at least in this article. The boys outscore girls in the plains states and west, but elsewhere, for the most part, girls outperform boys. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2022/10/12/boys-left-behind-education-gender-gaps-across-the-us/

szopeno said...

@Thomas you are aware that at least in USA there are indications that female teachers seems to be systemically biased against boys, in the sense that boys score higher in neutral tests that it's predicted from their grades?

szopeno said...

THere is also a possibility that maybe there are less male teachers - I don't know if that's the case, just generating a possible theoretical explanation. The studies seems to differ whether male teachers have positive effects for boys (I've found some saying "yes" and some saying "no") but maybe lack of male role models in school can affect that. In my son's school there is one (ONE!) male teaching him.. and incidentally, this is one of the classes where my son has good grades.

Of course, my son HATES school.

John said...

I think what schooling has been like has varied. Vocational education has waxed and waned over the years, with a distainct downturn in the early 2000s in reponse to "No Child Left Behind." Here is Maryland we had a state program to make all high school graduates college ready. Checking the numbers, I see that in 1960 only 41% of Americans were graduating from high school; the figure now is over 90%. There has also been a decline lately in the number of high school students holding jobs, either during the summer or the school year.

G. Verloren said...

So I wonder if maybe "boys are failing in school" is a small piece of a much bigger problem, that we live in a world that many people find depressing in its very nature.

...how does this supposition of yours hold water when faced with the fact of "girls succeeding in school"?

If you want to argue that boys are failing because they find the world depressing, then by the exact same logic that would mean that girls are doing better at school because they don't find the world as depressing. Except that's completely wrong - young girls suffer major depressive episodes at roughly THREE TIMES the rate of young men, and that rate has been extremely consistent for at least a quarter century.

It seems to be a commonly held notion that boys perform worse in school because they are rowdier - they have a harder time sitting still, paying attention, etc. And that may well be accurate - but so very often I see people try to explain it away as some sort of biological factor, where boys are just intrinsically rowdy, whereas girls are not. This could be explained by a relative imbalance in testosterone - after all, it's fairly well established that testosterone promotes "rowdy" sorts of behaviors in men.

...except once again, that's completely wrong. Testosterone levels for pre-teens do not meaningfully differ between girls and boys - divergence only happens as puberty comes into the picture, which makes perfect sense. So it's not that boys are somehow biologically more rowdy - or at the very least, not because of testosterone (and I'm unaware of anything else that one might reasonably suggest as a potential culprit).

So what does that leave us? Well, the answer I think should have obvious all along - culture, upbringing, and gender norms.

Boys perform badly in school because they are treated differently. Girls are taught from an early age to control themselves and their impulses, because it's "unladylike" to behave certain ways - neither society at large nor a girl's immediate family tolerate "rowdiness" in them. But with boys, the prevailing social attitude is that "boys will be boys", and they are held to different standards of behavior.

It seems to largely be a subconscious effect, but there appears to be a powerful double standard in how much "rowdiness" a child can get away with, based on their sex / gender. It maps pretty cleanly onto social messaging about gender roles in toys, entertainment media, vocations of adults that children interact with, etc. Little boys get given army men and Tonka trucks, while little girls get given playhouses and Barbie dolls. Little boys see men on TV solving their problems with violence and bravado, while little girls see women on TV solving their problems with social niceties and emotional intelligence.

And then they both go off to school, and one segment of the student body does a good job behaving themselves, and the other one doesn't, and we wonder why? What a farce.

John said...

@G-

Ok, suppose it is true that the differences between boys and girls in school have to do with how they were socialized. But surely that difference has not gotten greater in recent decades; in fact I would posit that the intensive socialization of girls toward good manners has decreased. When was the last time you heard about young girls holding tea parties? And to me if something has not gotten more extreme, it cannot be used to explain change.

The poor performance of boys in school is a recent phenomenon, so it can only be explained using other things that have changed recently. Things that are ancient, whether genetic or soical, cannot explain why the contemporary world is different.

Which is why I am looking toward something that has changed, the ever-greater focus on teaching academics to all children, the huge push to keep all children in school at least through high school, and the declining number of teenagers working or otherwise doing adult things.