tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8304928500646903522.post3704280480759675003..comments2024-03-28T18:32:05.933-04:00Comments on bensozia: George Packer on the Debt Ceiling DebateJohnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01037215533094998996noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8304928500646903522.post-76781279667251768032011-07-26T08:52:58.863-04:002011-07-26T08:52:58.863-04:00The parties do seem to be more coherent in the leg...The parties do seem to be more coherent in the legislature. Perhaps you're right. I do now remember reading that thingie about the most conservative Dem and the most liberal Republican. Yipe!Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08993570411881726772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8304928500646903522.post-56253313297611683042011-07-26T07:24:00.407-04:002011-07-26T07:24:00.407-04:00Compared to the twentieth century, the parties are...Compared to the twentieth century, the parties are more coherent now. The most conservative Democrats in both the House and the Senate have more liberal voting records than the most liberal Republicans. Things like the perfect party line voting on the Affordable Care Act are rare in US history, especially in the Senate. The refusal of the House Republicans to make budget compromises is also rare; budgets used to be written by guys like Tip O'Neil in smoke-filled rooms. <br /><br />No compromise stands used mainly to be taken against integration. I think that is a clue to what is going on. One of the major conservative/liberal fault lines used to be race issues, and then gender issues, but with those mostly inoperative in Congress we see both sides moving toward taxes and the budget as the place to define their partisan identities. This isn't the end of the world but it means it will be much harder to pass budgets now.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01037215533094998996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8304928500646903522.post-58615229461804818552011-07-25T21:42:58.403-04:002011-07-25T21:42:58.403-04:00I find this blog consistently interesting. Why sh...I find this blog consistently interesting. Why should I read others?<br /><br />I'm not sure what evidence Iglesias cites, but it's not clear to me that either party is actually any more ideologically coherent than they were twenty years ago. In fact I suspect that part of the shrillness comes from the fact that both parties are more or less unhappy coalitions--the Republicans in particular. We've said it before, but it bears repeating: American Empire neocons, big business establishment types, Christian fundamentalists, and libertarians really don't have that much in common.<br /><br />It's certainly possible that we're headed to A Bad Place, but I don't expect it. I just don't see the comparison between our times and our divisions and those of, say, the 1860s. Or compare our national outlook today with that in, say, 1937. Of course, a lot of folks were probably feeling pretty sanguine in about August, 1929. But I just don't see a truly deep mood of crisis in the country.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08993570411881726772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8304928500646903522.post-62559778255976881042011-07-25T19:41:00.392-04:002011-07-25T19:41:00.392-04:00I don't know if you read Matt Yglesias, but he...I don't know if you read Matt Yglesias, but he harps all the time on the idea that bipartisanship is not possible with ideologically coherent parties like we have now. I worry that he is right and wonder what that means for the future of our mixed system.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01037215533094998996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8304928500646903522.post-28603033333098543802011-07-25T13:08:03.156-04:002011-07-25T13:08:03.156-04:00I would say two things. First, I don't think ...I would say two things. First, I don't think it's fair at all to Obama. Obama ran as the kind of guy who would encourage compromise; with him, it's a moral ideal, not just technocratic difference-splitting. This is one of the things that attracted me to him, for the reason that I had felt that W's admin really had no interest in hearing from my sort of person or leading them at all; he acted as the president of those who voted for him, not of the country. Of course, right-leaning types feel the same way in reverse. Obama has been doing what he can to reverse that.<br /><br />Second, Packer writes about the Hartzells, whose father has not been able to find work for a while and whose only support is government entitlements. He thinks Obama should show more leadership on the ideals side and represent these people more aggressively. It seems to me that until folks like the Hartzells stop either not voting or voting for rightists because they identify with them culturally, and instead start casting liberal votes, the kinds of ideals Packer supports are not going to be well represented.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08993570411881726772noreply@blogger.com