tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8304928500646903522.post6985287971108453104..comments2024-03-28T00:11:33.489-04:00Comments on bensozia: Rage in PortlandJohnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01037215533094998996noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8304928500646903522.post-25392686916241831282017-05-06T14:20:27.908-04:002017-05-06T14:20:27.908-04:00@Verloren - that's true, this is false equival...@Verloren - that's true, this is false equivalence, as communists killed far more people, are not apologetic and quite often joke about shooting people when the next revolution comes. COmmunism is about violence, murdering opposition, destroying free speech and democracy plus lies. Communists committed genocide on mass scale in almost every country in which they took power. In contrast, fascists committed crimes in almost every country they took power, but they committed genocide only in one. Hence, communists are far, far worse. szopenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02234132446740838968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8304928500646903522.post-65108704154148911242017-05-05T13:02:26.274-04:002017-05-05T13:02:26.274-04:00@szopen
That's a false equivalency, as Commun...@szopen<br /><br />That's a false equivalency, as Communists aren't remotely equivalent to Fascists, and aren't going around doing things like espousing hatred, enacting violence against minorities, and making democracy impossible.<br /><br />Now if you instead were to talk about radical Anarchists and Nihilists who want to violently overthrow the system, that'd be far more comparable. I would have little to no sympathy for anyone on the left who stood up and aligned themselves with such thugs and ended up suffering because of it.G. Verlorennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8304928500646903522.post-32892707496879960482017-05-05T04:41:55.526-04:002017-05-05T04:41:55.526-04:00Verloren, but this is the same about communists an...Verloren, but this is the same about communists and their allies, no? I mean, if you are not openly distancing yourself from totalitarians (both marxists, open communists and also those, who are nowadays nicknamed "SJWs"), you deserve whatever comes your way, right? szopenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02234132446740838968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8304928500646903522.post-47104678096976241732017-05-04T15:26:57.993-04:002017-05-04T15:26:57.993-04:00But I'll keep saying it until I run out of bre...<i>But I'll keep saying it until I run out of breath: if you cannot live with your political opponents, you cannot have democracy.</i><br /><br />So what happens when there are people, such as actual Nazis, whom it is impossible to live with? Does their mere existence make democracy impossible?<br /><br />Certainly there is a problem of many people being ignorant and unable to properly identify actual extremists compared to more reasonable individuals. But that doesn't change the fact that actual extremists do exist, and certainly not in a vacuum.<br /><br />And that's the real wrinkle in the problem. Fascists never act alone. They seek allies among non-fascists who share certain values. So when you get mainstream Republicans rallying behind and supporting Fascist movements and leaders, is it any wonder many people opposed to Fascism start struggling to separate the two groups in their minds? <br /><br />And when you actually get down to brass tacks, to what extent is there really a meaningful difference between a Nazi and a Nazi Collabator? When Vichy France agreed to round up hundreds of thousands of Jews to be sent to the gas chambers, were they really any better than the German Reich itself?<br /><br />He that lieth down with dogs, shall rise up with fleas. They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind.<br /><br />Yes, we should all strive to show restraint and discretion, and to accurately identify actual Fascists compared to the merely "Fascist-Adjacent". But at the same time, I find it incredibly hard to feel remorse for anyone who chooses not to distance themselves from Fascists, and none at all for their open allies. If you align yourself with the murderers and eugenicists who seek to make democracy impossible, you deserve whatever comes your way in the end.G. Verlorennoreply@blogger.com