tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8304928500646903522.post3342723358366501481..comments2024-03-28T18:32:05.933-04:00Comments on bensozia: Chimpanzee CannibalismJohnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01037215533094998996noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8304928500646903522.post-53478643967902223252017-05-31T07:24:59.042-04:002017-05-31T07:24:59.042-04:00Since all the stories on this incident say chimpan...Since all the stories on this incident say chimpanzees rarely kill members of their own troop, murder can't be the most common result. I remember from reading Jane Goodall that one former alpha became her buddy and hung around her house a lot.<br /><br />And now I have discovered that wikipedia has a long page on the Kasakela chimpanzee troop, the one studied by Goodall and others since 1960. So you can look up the careers of all the alpha males. One example:<br /><br />Goblin (September 1964 – August 2004) was Melissa's oldest son. He was discovered by Goodall when he was just a few hours old, with a twisted face that led her to name him Goblin. Goblin was protected by Figan as an adolescent, but at the young age of age 15 in 1979 he challenged and defeated Figan to become the top-ranking male. He was defeated and brutally beaten by a coalition of older males later in the year, giving up his top ranking. Goblin regained the top-ranked position in 1982, and was the unambiguous alpha male, able to control even coalitions of rival males, by 1984. Goblin maintained his alpha status until 1989, when he was badly beaten and injured by a coalition of males led by Wilkie. He was sterilized by a bite to his testicles in the process. He spent time away from the rest of the community recovering from his injuries, during which time Goodall administered medication to help him return to health. After recovering from his injuries, Goblin maintained a high-ranking status within the community by forming alliances with the alpha males, especially Freud and Frodo. He eventually died of disease in August 2004.<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasakela_Chimpanzee_Community<br />Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01037215533094998996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8304928500646903522.post-23538578959075927542017-05-30T09:56:46.412-04:002017-05-30T09:56:46.412-04:00This post makes me wonder, what is the range of po...This post makes me wonder, what is the range of possible fates for fallen alphas? Do many end up killed or killed-and-cannibalized? And if this case is unusual, or perhaps a typical result in some portion of cases (20%? 50%? 70%), then I wonder what conditions can produce the different outcomes. Was he particularly resentment-producing as an alpha, and was this because of cruel excesses, or weakness, or what? Was his behavior after his fall more a factor? What factors enabled the young males to go after him? Did he alienate the females, and this incited the young males, or were the issues purely intra-male? How will the inability to prevent the fallen alpha's death affect the new alpha's standing?<br /><br />Can you get a fallen alpha who is still respected or beloved? Is there such a thing among chimps as a respected grandfather figure? How about among the females?Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08993570411881726772noreply@blogger.com